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2:25 pm
August 30, 2009
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Calmo2000
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I'm looking at purchasing necessary hardware needed in the case of a church lockdown situation, active shooter, etc.
This hardware is needed to fit double doors that allow entry into our sanctuary, these doors open out from the sanctuary into the foyer.
Anyone with information as to the types of locking devices that work well for these types of doors, who carries them, a website, phone number, etc., would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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8:19 am
September 3, 2009
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SMince2
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This isn't really an answer to your question, but I have problems with a 'lockdown' procedure.
A lockdown can be a very effective solution under the right conditions. If you can go into a room that is actually secure that is one thing, but few rooms or Santuary's in most churches can resist a determined attacker from getting in. All you are doing is playing "Hide and seek" and the lock down keeps you from being able to move away from the danger.
Using the lockdown as a one-size-fits-all response could be turned to where all the strengths of such a system become its weaknesses.
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4:21 pm
September 3, 2009
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Calmo2000
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A determined person can get into any area he wants to if he has the time to overcome the lock, no argument from me. If evacuation of an area is not possible, slowing down the person by hardening the area with a locking device might save lives, until the person can be confronted. For that case, rare or not, I believe looking into locking devices is worthwhile.
Would appreciate info from anyone on the site that has locking devices for similar doors installed at their church, or knows of such locking devices.
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4:34 pm
September 3, 2009
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jdc
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Lockdowns can create a serious hazard as in an active shooter situation you describe. The lockdown prevents potential victims from evacuating, and forces them against their will to stay, and prevents first responding officers from rapid entry. Just something to consider.
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5:59 pm
September 3, 2009
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Calmo2000
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Good points. In my case those situations have been thought through and added into the mix.
There are exits availability, so "no forcing of persons to stay in an area etc."
However without the ability to lockdown the doors the person would use to gain entry, a large group would not make it out those exits before entry through the unlocked doors could be made by the active shooter.
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7:36 am
September 10, 2009
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I, too, have struggled with the lockdown concept in the past. But looking at the information available from previous active shooter situations and talking with law enforcement, I realize that there are a number of things to consider.
- Most active shooters seem to be drawn to activity, firing at anyone that moves. The lockdown is designed to eliminate any activity from potential targets.
- The lockdown is a method of control. It can become a chaotic mess for law enforcement trying to enter the building when a large number of people are running from the building at the same time. How can the shooter(s) be distinguished from the crowd?
- Once entering the building, the LEO's can proceed directly to the target with less chance of targeting an innocent, since the shooter(s) will be among the few moving through the building (and making noise).
- The lockdown also prevents parents (in the case of a school) and other concerned citizens from running into the building before 1st responders arrive. This adds to the confusion and the potential targets. Not to mention that another adult in a school can look very much like a threat.
Certainly, the lockdown procedure is not the cure-all. But in a crisis situation with so many unknowns, it may be the most sensible option. As it was recently explained to me by an officer, it can effectively manage a situation for the 1st several minutes it takes for the 1st responders to arrive.
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9:21 pm
September 30, 2009
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I have chains with S hooks for my exterior doors to slow down entry. Next, we use handcuffs to secure the doors into the auditorium. Here's the situation: Outer double doors are glass with inside panic bars. They open to the outside so we chain the panic bars. Yep, glass can be broken but it will slow someone down. The auditorium double doors open into the foyer with pull handles. A set of handcuffs goes on quickly and every cop has a key. The auditorium has 2 other exits with panic bars on oposite corners from the main entry doors so no one is held against their will.
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11:46 pm
September 30, 2009
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Calmo2000
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Sounds like a very similar situation to our setup, the handcuffs and the "S" hooks are certainly a possibility for us as well, and we have 5 exits with push bars leading to outside from the sanctuary.
Having the ABILITY to lockdown is important.
Thanks for the ideas.
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7:15 am
October 2, 2009
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Jack Justice
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Good conversation!
Here are a few questions.
How do you alert the staff to initiate the lock down?
Where do you keep the chains and s hooks?
Who has access or knows about the chains?
How many of the staff carry cuffs to lock down doors?
This is definitely a tool in the tool kit. The key to to avoid locking the responding safety forces out while separating the shooter from the bulk of the targets.
Please keep the comments coming.
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