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6:55 am
May 2, 2008


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We have found that the use of 2 ways radios is critical to being effective.

What are you using currently and have you had any problems?

9:10 pm
May 15, 2008


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This is a subject that I am very interested in. We are just getting started. Any comments on what has worked. Do we need business band radios or can we get by with the FRS radios? There is quite a cost difference

Thanks

8:21 pm
May 19, 2008


Ohio

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Bill B said:

Tis is a subject that I am very interested in. We are just geting started. ANu comments on what has worked. Do we need business band radios or can we get by with the FRS radios?

Thanks


It depends on where you are. If you are in an area where there are alot of businesses or maybe homes or anything like that around you, maybe you should consider business band with an FCC license. In our particular case, we're find with the FRS radios because there's nothing around. So, take a look at what's around you and what interference it may cause. Also, check your local laws. Some states will require you to license your radios. Anybody…..correct me if I'm wrong. This is the way I understood it.

8:36 am
May 21, 2008


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Radios are indeed the key to successfully operating the security team during services and other events.

The main option that are available include the FMS/GMRS and business band radios. Licenses are needed with business band and GMRS (General Mobile Radio Services)

We have to have an article or video posted soon detailing the advantages of one system over another.

12:09 pm
May 21, 2008


johnsykes

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We currently carry higher-end radios with ear pieces and have made sure we have a FCC license for a number of frequencies. Being able to transmit and receive in an intelligible manner due to the better equipment and more private frequencies had greatly decreased the time it takes us to respond.

9:11 am
May 23, 2008


Jack Justice

Dayton Ohio

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Here is some of the basic information on the history of the Family Rdio Service system.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Family Radio Service (FRS) is an
improved walkie talkie system authorized in the United States since
1996. This personal radio service uses channelized frequencies in the
ultra high frequency (UHF) band, and so does not suffer the
interference effects found on citizens' band (CB) at 27 MHz, or the
49 MHz band also used by cordless phones, toys, and baby monitors.
FRS uses frequency modulation (FM) instead of amplitude modulation
(AM). Since the UHF band has different radio propagation
characteristics, the short range use of FRS may be more reliable than
license-free radios operating in the HF CB band.

Initially proposed by Radio Shack in
1994 for use by families, FRS has also seen significant adoption by
business interests, as an unlicensed, low-cost alternative to the
business band.

Technical information

FRS radios are limited to 500
milliwatts in the U.S., according to FCC regulations. Channels 1 to 7
are shared with low-power interstitial channels of GMRS, the General
Mobile Radio Service. A license is required for those channels only
if the power output is over FRS limits, up to GMRS limits. Unlike
Citizens' Band (CB) radios, FRS radios frequently have provisions for
using sub-audible tone squelch (CTCSS and DCS) codes, filtering out
unwanted chatter from other users on the same frequency. Although
these codes are sometimes called “privacy codes” or
“private line codes” (PL codes), they offer no protection
from eavesdropping and are only intended to help share busy channels.
Tone codes also do nothing to prevent desired transmissions from
being swamped by stronger signals having a different code.

FRS stations on channels 1 through 7
may communicate with GMRS stations on those channels; the GMRS
stations may use up to 5 watts of power, while the FRS stations are
restricted to 0.5 watts.

The use of duplex radio repeaters and
interconnects to the telephone network are prohibited under FRS
rules, unlike in GMRS (where repeaters, but not telephone
interconnects, are permitted), and the Amateur Radio Service. FRS
radios must use only permanently-attached antennas. This limitation
intentionally restricts the range of communications, and promotes
sharing of the available channels.

FRS manufacturers generally claim an
effective range of 3 km (2 miles) or more, but actual performance is
limited by the physics of propagation. The presence of large
buildings can reduce range. Under exceptional conditions, such as
hilltop to hilltop, communication is possible over 50 km (30 miles)
or more. Under normal conditions, however, with line-of-sight blocked
by a few buildings or trees, FRS generally has an effective range of
0.5 to 1.5 km (1/3 to 1 mile).

FRS/GMRS Dual Service Radios

Recently, hybrid FRS/GMRS consumer
radios have been introduced that have 22 channels. Many of these
radios have been certified for unlicensed operation (on the 14 FRS
frequencies) under FRS rules. [1]

The FCC rules and statements regarding
the use of hybrid radios on channels 1-7 stipulate the need for GMRS
licensing only when operating under the rules that apply to the GMRS.
Many hybrid radios have an ERP that is lower than 0.5 watts on
channels 1-7, or can be set by the user to operate at low power on
these channels. This allows hybrid radios to be used under the
license free FRS rules if the ERP is less than 0.5 watts AND the unit
is certified for FRS operation on these frequencies.

Owners of dual-service radios should be
aware that it is unlawful to operate on channels 15-22 at any power
level without holding a valid, FCC-issued GMRS license in the United
States of America. In practice, however, many radio manufacturers do
not make this distinction sufficiently clear to customers.
Consequently, this often leads to unlawful interference to GMRS
licensees by others that erroneously believe they are simply using
additional FRS channels. As GMRS licenses cost money to obtain, such
interference can often be a source of frustration for duly-licensed
operators.

Channels 8-14 are reserved exclusively
for the FRS, and GMRS operation is not allowed on these channels.

Channels 15-22 are reserved exclusively
for GMRS, and FRS operation is not allowed on these channels.

Summary

FRS radios are currently the most economical means of putting a two ways radio system into place.


The advantages are:

  1. Low price per unit
  2. No license is required to operate.
  3. Unit can typically work on standard or rechargeable batteries
  4. Better units have a CTCSS codes- private line feature to filter out other users on the channel
  5. Ear buds are available

Disadvantages

  1. The sound is not as clear as a quality business band radio
  2. If you are in a heavily populated area it may be difficult to find a unused channel
  3. The CTCSS filter out others but they can still hear you
  4. If you use the more powerful GMRS, a license is required before use.
  5. Owners of dual-service radios should be
    aware that it is unlawful to operate on channels 15-22

I will add some information on the business band radios later.

Jack

11:28 am
June 13, 2008


Birmingham, Alabama

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We are still using FRS radios with ear pieces. It is working fine for us, except for battery consumption. We seem to go through a lot of AA batteries and/or rechargeable batteries.

Mike Phillips

7:40 pm
June 21, 2008


South Plains of Texas

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New here but have been leading our safety team for four years.

IMO, if you are a big enough congregation to need radios, you need commercial radios.

FCC license is $100 for ten years and you get a dedicated frequency.

11:00 pm
March 25, 2009


Ohio

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We just purchased some new digital radios that are business band (UHF). We have licensed 4 channels (Facilities, Security, Medical, and Parking). They are great because they can be used to coordinate every type of situation, including a bomb threat. The problem is that when dealing with bombs, a traditional radio will cause it to detonate. These radios run us about $700 (XPR6300) and $750 (XPR6500). I carry an XPR6500 because it has a display, and we are going to purchase one for our dispatcher. That way, if an officer runs into trouble and presses his panic button, I can coordinate tactical assistance for his location.

The biggest thing I find when selecting a radio is making sure you choose the correct technology. If you are a large indoor facility, UHF has many benefits because it goes through walls better. VHF is better for line of sight communications.

No matter what your budget, radios are invaluable to protecting your officers and coordinating responses.

1:08 am
March 26, 2009


Definace, Ohio

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We had Motorola sp50 5watt UHF radio's for our parking lot crew. These work great for that application, but for security they are a little big! I liked the Cobra radio's that a link was given to here on this site. They are FSR, but they are 5watts and should be real clear, plus they use a rechargeable lithium ion battery (I think?). This does away with all the AA batteries being used! They are supposedly good up to 27 miles too. “Low key” is my #1 thing, we like to use the secrete service style ear pieces, this helps my team members from sticking out. We want to have security without the appearance of a police state!

8:46 pm
March 29, 2009


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We initially thought as a small team, radios were a little over the top. A little more thought about putting someone in the parking lot by themselves and we changed our minds. We are licensed to use the GMRS channels but now have figured out that the proper use of a radio is not a "natural" skill. Basic radio training is the next thing we will tackle.

7:12 pm
May 24, 2009


spd641

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Sir,Only individuals can be licensed for GMRS there is no blanket license that covers a group any longer unless you were grandfathered in around 1999,if one of your security members sent in for a license under their name it is no good to the rest of the group unless all of you in the group are blood related father,mother,brother,sister so on.I sugest if alot of you want communications that is license free check out MURS radio which is on VHF and you will be able to use a commercial type radio with good range,MURS has 5 frequencies which require no license.

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