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Using Off Duty Police for Church Security?

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3:47 pm
May 27, 2008


Jack Justice

Dayton Ohio

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This is in the members section but I wanted to put it here for a while as food for thought. Are you using Off Duty Officers and how has it worked for you?

Overview

This is a question recently asked of me by a church that is putting
together a security team. I hope it might help some of you. They were
trying to decide if they should hire off duty police officers as their
primary security for church services.

The use of off duty LEO’s falls into two categories: Paid Off Duty Work or Volunteer Security Team Members.

Paid Off Duty

There is an assumed advantage to using of duty LEO’s by many church
organizations. Part of this is due to the public seeing officers as
defenders of the innocent and all being sharpshooters, after all they
carry a gun for a living and are deemed worthy by the government.

In reality many officers are barely able to certify with their
sidearms. Many departments only qualify once or twice a year.
Typically, many of these officers never fire their sidearm for any type
of practice between the qualifications. If you only use them for
traffic control this might not matter, but do not confuse this as
actual protection inside the sanctuary.

Be cautious about hiring off duty LEO’s as you have no control over
who gets sent to your church. Departments sometimes use a lottery or
rotation system as to who gets the next paid job for extra cash.

Some of these officers may not be the ones you want inside the
church in a shooting crisis. Additionally, they will work within the
departments policies and not the churches policies. If you have not
policies this might not be bad but if you do have policies and they
conflict you might have a problem there.

If something serious happens such as a shooting, the department may hang the officer out to dry.

This may place the burden on the church for a bad shoot or excessive
use of force. The other issue is workman’s comp may not cover an off
duty officer since he/she is not “on the job” and this can also open
the door to a lawsuit for the church to cover medical expenses.

If you are going to hire off duty officers, you must meet with the
officer in charge of off duty assignments and clarify some details such
as:

1. Is the officer trained in active shooter situations?
2. Is the officer covered by workman’s comp while working at the church?
3. Will the department stand behind the officer with legal support if an incident occurs and goes to court?
4. Can I refuse an officer if he has an compatibility problem with the staff and members?

I recently attended a security seminar at the Creation Museum in
Kentucky. The director of security is very fortunate in having a
suitable budget for his task.

They have a large paid staff but do supplement it with some off duty
officers. Their situation is unique as the officers and their
department agree up front that the officer is not there as a member of
the department but rather as a part time paid employee of the museum.
they are issued all equipment and uniforms and operate under the
museum’s policies.

Note that this group trains to a higher standard that 95% of the
police departments that I know. They are an exception to the typical
image of a private security organization. They are required to qualify
quarterly with any arm they are required to use.

Volunteer Officers as Team Members

Many churches have members that are police officers. There can be a great asset to the church if they are free to join the team.

Many departments will not permit their officers to participate in
anything that could create an implied liability for the department or
the government that they work for. In past years many department
prohibited or discouraged their officer from carrying a weapon off duty.

I do use some volunteer officers on our team. I have been fortunate
in that they have been SWAT trained or officers that deemed that being
competent with their sidearm was a critical skill. There are the types
that you need to look for to volunteer for the teams. These officers
tend to be very cool and collected during a crisis.

In our case these are also church members that are willing to
assist. One issue is that they frequently are working for the
department on Sundays or during special events and may not be available.

In our case I must supplement these officers with “joe citizens”
members of the church. In my old church I needed 8 team members per
Sunday to cover the church. I do not have enough LEO’s attending to
make a team solely consisting of them. I needed to also use former or
retired LEO’s and suitability trained civilians.

Note that these guys and gals really took the training seriously.
You do need to choose them carefully for mindset as you are looking for
the calm warrior who can explode and engage when needed. I believe that
these people are one of my strongest assets that I have. They will be
energetic in training and service as if God has given their hearts to
the ministry.

In all reality, I prefer these warriors over any paid part time
LEO’s as I know their heart is true and they are dedicated to Jesus,
the church and
our ministry.

8:35 pm
May 28, 2008


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Great information. We talked about hiring officers but at $35 an hour it was a little steep. Besides I think we have the right peopple to do out own team and then we can have the honor of protecting our own.

12:23 pm
October 1, 2008


orlando,FL

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I just signed up as a member. I am a police officer and I also hold a masters degree in security management. I just switched my membership to a church in my neighborhood and did a voluntary assessment on the facilities. I got a program from a HOW site. I was appalled that there was no security system in the church and the sanctuary housed about $60-$70k worth of electronic equipment every sunday. These items were left in the sanctuary unsecured during the week. I also pointed out to the pastor that door leaving the sanctuary lead to the parking lot and that door could be breached. I also pointed out that the door lead to the rear of the building and there was not visibility from the street.

The sheriff department will permit deputies to work in an off duty capacity but the church will have to sign a hold harmless form. This means that the deputy and the agency are not civilly liable if any of the incidents you mentioned should occur. I park my unit in the front of the church on sundays and I am armed. However, that would not stop a determined person. I awaiting your policy template to see what ideas can be had to improve our circumstance.

10:45 am
October 9, 2008


Keyless

Guest

In using police officer's that are members of the local church, is there vicarious liabiltyon the churches part to cover volunteer workers ? or is this covered by a Good Samaritan act ?

9:25 pm
March 15, 2009


Port Saint Lucie, Florida

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I have also found that there is a misunderstanding about police in general among the majority of the population.
I mean this as no disrespect to police officers; I am the Chaplain of several agencies and have trained law enforcement all over the world.
But officers, unless specially trained, they have no idea about security. They are trained to react, not to prevent. Something to consider when forming your team. I think the recommendations of picking and training people within your congregation is sound and adds the benefit of them thinking in line with you and being loyal to you.

6:52 am
March 16, 2009


rainmaker

Middletown, OH

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Our church is blessed in that one our church leaders is a police officer, and the training officer for the local PD. He's done security analysis for local schools and churches, and is now helping us get our ducks lined up on security and emergency response. Needless to say, he's a valued member of our Team.

4:43 pm
March 16, 2009


Wajki5

Guest

We have a church around 1,100 or so. We have just started a security team in Jan 2009. This web site has been a God send for us. We are looking into using officers for our Sunday service and I want to say thank you for all your thoughts. I would like to know more about the legal issues of a security team with CHL licensee or Armed Guard able to carry in a church under the title of Security Team.

9:35 pm
March 16, 2009


Jack Justice

Dayton Ohio

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Wajki5

I do not know the details of your state but please read the article at the link below. It details the journey that we had to do here in Ohio to make sure that we were legal.

http://churchsecuritymember.com/church-security-safety-legal-requirements-church-training/

After you read it, please comment here with your thoughts.

Jack

8:50 am
June 19, 2009


jeffro

Guest

Hello, very good information on here. One thing i would suggest looking through it in a LE perspective is train,train,train. I was reading a reply where Police aren't trained in Active Shooter and only twice with firearms. I train all of my officers yearly on Active Shooter and now in TN they are instructed this in the Police Academy. Another idea is train in a stressed environment. Those who have carry permits are shooting at a static target that doesn't shoot back. I have been in a shooting and believe me your accuracy isn't the same. I would suggest running stress courses to get the heart rate up when training on the range, and would also suggest scenario based training with airsoft or simunitions where you get a pain penalty for tactical errors. Also having members of your church to be role players and when doing exercises have them get up and run and scream, because this will be more realistic if an incident arises. Be safe and if you need anything contact me anytime.

Jeff

http://www.specializedsecuritytraining.com

9:31 pm
June 19, 2009


Jack Justice

Dayton Ohio

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Jeffro

Welcome to the site.

Please realize that we are very pro LE here.

Glen is still a sworn officer and I am a former officer.

We have a large number of friends still in service.

I am happy to hear that your department does realistic training, many still do not. With the current economic situation, I fear that this type of training will be reduced.

I do agree with your post, if you have not engaged in force on force training, you are not meeting the needs of your church. When you get into a critical event, the blood starts rushing and the adrenaline boosts, the world does indeed look different.

When you have the chance, please email a phone contact to

jack@churchsecuritymember.com.

I would enjoy talking to you.

9:40 am
June 20, 2009


jeffro

Guest

Hello Jack,

It's good to be on here, very good information to all members. I will put my contact info on here for anyone that needs anything.

Thanks,

Jeff

423-817-5933

jeffro4021@yahoo.com

http://www.specializedsecuritytraining.com

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